Ultimate 5sp set up!

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Pagemo

Discussion Starter · Dec 18, 2011

I just finished the bellhousing for my project car, I modified it to mount a TKO 600 to the 3800 Series 11. I used a 94 S10 bell and added 3 mounting tabs or ears (they help as bracing to) and redrilled for the TKO pattern.

This is going im my 89 gullwing conquest project.

This will be a turbo swap, I have a fully forged engine to use once the intitial tuning is done so i can break the engine in properly.

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Dyno Brian

· #2 · Dec 18, 2011

Congrats on having a tranny that will never break with the power you can make with the 3800.

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Pagemo

Discussion Starter · #3 · Dec 18, 2011

Dyno Brian said:
Congrats on having a tranny that will never break with the power you can make with the 3800.

Thanks that was the plan! Im actually planning around 500whp and hopefully with the right turbo /turbos selection and tuning it should be doable. I just want it as streetable as possible at that level.

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Dyno Brian

· #4 · Dec 19, 2011

500 wheel will be easy and streetable. I have never broken a Tremec trans. My current turbo is making 808 rwhp and 918 rwtq. Takes every powershift that I throw at it.

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Pagemo

Discussion Starter · #5 · Dec 19, 2011

Dyno Brian said:
500 wheel will be easy and streetable. I have never broken a Tremec trans. My current turbo is making 808 rwhp and 918 rwtq. Takes every powershift that I throw at it.

What trans are you running? Those are great #'s what turbo or twin set up would you recommend for best street strip performance?
I have a stage 3 intense cam and 1.6 billet rockers.
8:1 diamond pistons
comp lifters and 130lb crow springs
I am planning megasquirt for a computer because I have built and tuned one on a turbo setup already. Although I do have a 99GS ecu
I appreciate any and all advice.

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Dyno Brian

· #6 · Dec 19, 2011

I imagine a 67mm would get he job done.

Stock PCM is good for all the power you want to make. 1000 hp capable with great drivability and good fuel economy when your foot is out of the boost.

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Dyno Brian

· #7 · Dec 19, 2011

I have a TKO 600 in my 800/900 turbo mustang and a 3550 in my 600/700 turbo mustang.

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Pagemo

Discussion Starter · #8 · Dec 19, 2011

Dyno Brian said:
500 wheel will be easy and streetable. I have never broken a Tremec trans. My current turbo is making 808 rwhp and 918 rwtq. Takes every powershift that I throw at it.

Dyno Brian said:
I imagine a 67mm would get he job done.

Stock PCM is good for all the power you want to make. 1000 hp capable with great drivability and good fuel economy when your foot is out of the boost.

I was considering the stock ecu but figured the MAS was a limit as opposed to tuning using VE table and MAP which I understand and can tune.
Is the engine wiring harness for the 3800 separate from the rest of the harness and if so could l use it with gauges from a GTP ? I like the idea of using the HUD.

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Dyno Brian

· #9 · Dec 19, 2011

No mass air flow limits when using a Mini AFC or maf translator. Abaco has a maf capable of 1650 in blow thru. I have tuned several cars (Both GM and Ford) and I will say they are the PORN of maf's. There smallest maf is good for 1000 hp.

Save the mega squirt for another project and stick with the stock ecm.

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Pagemo

Discussion Starter · #10 · Dec 19, 2011

I like the idea of the stock computer for drivability for sure. Any idea on the wiring harness? Also what would it cost for a ECU tune to get me started?

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Dyno Brian

· #11 · Dec 19, 2011

No idea on the wiring harness.

Email [email protected] for pcm info.

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03MonteSS

· #12 · Dec 19, 2011

i hate you for beating me to the punch, i mentioned doing a 3800 swap into an 89 conquest tsi last year and you popped in to say you were working on it already, they are such BAD A$$ cars, wide, light, and have awesome suspension and tires as wide as hell

AWESOME build!

how long did it take you to mod the trans?

this is going to be a build capable of anything, autoX drag drift you name it it's capable

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Pagemo

Discussion Starter · #13 · Dec 19, 2011

03MonteSS said:
i hate you for beating me to the punch, i mentioned doing a 3800 swap into an 89 conquest tsi last year and you popped in to say you were working on it already, they are such BAD A$$ cars, wide, light, and have awesome suspension and tires as wide as hell

AWESOME build!

how long did it take you to mod the trans?

this is going to be a build capable of anything, autoX drag drift you name it it's capable

Thanks man! sorry to have beat you to it on this one

but i have been building Conquests for about 10 years and just finished a complete restomod last year with a moddified 2.6L, it was making close to 400Whp and was a lot of fun to drive, But i had this gullwing conversion in the garage at the same time and really wanted to do this 3800 swap.
Most of the guys doing swaps in the conquests are going with the 2JZ but its just such a long heavy motor and really doesnt fit the bay worth a crap. I havent driven one but it cant help the handling. I hope this 3800 swap shows them you can put a cheaper smaller package together and still make plenty of HP without killing the balance and handling of the car.

The Bellhousing was actually pretty easy to make when i finally got around to it. I just bought a 94 S10 bell and opened up(indicated and bored) the center ID to fit the input bearing housing on the TKO. I then added mounting tabs for the trans to bolt to. The TKO to bell pattern is just a little wider than the S10 bell so it was pretty simple. I cut the tabs from 6061 1" thick and fit them in the areas they needed to be welded then clamped them to the bell so they were flush and welded them on all sides. I had to go back and machine off the mating surface to remove the bump from welding but i got good penatration on the weld so it shouldnt effect strength. After that i slid the bell on the trans and transfered the holes i needed then drilled and tapped them on a drill press.
Total time was maybe 4-6 hrs labor?
My biggest issue right now is fitting a oil pan and keeping the engine back and low where i want it. I have a pan from a holden but im am going to have to modify it or build a new K member??
I was considering a dry sump set up but it will add a lot of cost...

anyway i hope to havbe this on the road in 2012 i will keep you posted. If you really like the conquest strarion you should check out the starquestclub.com i have a full build page there on this one and my last build as well.
Have you started the swap on yours yet? What trans were you planning?

here are a few pics after i made the engine mounts.

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Krod

· #14 · Dec 20, 2011

For your pan, have you looked at the camaro pan/pickup yet? They bolt right on in place of the FWD pan/pickup.

Not sure if they are the same as the holden's, but definitely more clearance in the front than the stock FWD pans.

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Pagemo

Discussion Starter · #15 · Dec 20, 2011 (Edited)

Krod said:
For your pan, have you looked at the camaro pan/pickup yet? They bolt right on in place of the FWD pan/pickup.

Not sure if they are the same as the holden's, but definitely more clearance in the front than the stock FWD pans.

I am pretty sure I have...the holden pan is extended out front. My current cross member/k member cuts the pan almost pefecty across the middle two cylinders. My steering runs to the back of the k member so it makes it more necessary to have my pan and pick up towards the front of the motor.
I will double check and see what a camaro pan looks like.

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