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what can a 3800 series II naturally aspirated run in the 1/4 mile on pump gas, in a factory weight 3400 lb. car, 3600 lb. w/driver ? (i.e. Grand Prix-Monte Carlo-Firebird-Camaro)

let's assume EGR delete, cat/u-pipe/resonator delete

what are these mods worth ?

I'm assuming they should be able to get into the 13's with no other changes ?

this forum is oddly devoid of any e.t. postings, and I'm wondering why- all this computer/reprogramming/delete stuff better be worth something, no ? Otherwise why even do it, and why run the 3800 at all

there is a local racer who got a supercharged 3800 GTP into the 12's here
 

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thanks for being honest, but wow, that is pathetic e.t.

now I know why there's no e.t.'s posted here, the cars are not fast at all, unless they are on NOS or supercharged

it's going to take approx. 275 HP at the tires to run a 13.99 e.t. with a 3500 lb. car, so we're looking for 75 HP somewhere

common sense tells me there's not much that can be done besides intake pipe-headers-cam change, in addition to removing CAT-Ubend-resonator-EGR

let me rephrase the question- is there any NA 3800 cars running on pump gas, that go in the 13's with said mods, in addition to cam change/headers ?

no power adders- no racing fuel- 3500 lb. cars w/driver ?
 

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NOS is like an old man on viagra, when the bottle's empty, the game is over- I don't run NOS, and never will- it has destroyed more engines than any other bolt-on known

hard to believe the 3800 can't do 13's on the motor- there was a tuner who had an old GTP 3.4 DOHC running 13.90's on the motor, and I'm starting to think that old 60 degree V6 has more potential than the 3800 II, actually

I can tell you this with all honesty, my old 1995 GTP 3.4 DOHC with less cubes, would whip this 2001 Monte Carlo 3800- and the GTP has stock computer/prom, CAT in place, and only mod is a pulled EGR

what the hell happened to GM...
 

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13s is possible but you will need cam/heads/headers/tune/higher stall with drag radials and you should have it. thats with full weight. take 500 pounds out of it and that should give ya no more then a half second drop in et. i was going for 13s myself but said screw it after two motors. also nos can be reliable as long as the proper air fuel ratio is kept at all times. mid 13s is possible to get, 12s its another story its been done but only like twice.
 

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13s is possible but you will need cam/heads/headers/tune/higher stall with drag radials and you should have it. thats with full weight. take 500 pounds out of it and that should give ya no more then a half second drop in et. i was going for 13s myself but said screw it after two motors. also nos can be reliable as long as the proper air fuel ratio is kept at all times. mid 13s is possible to get, 12s its another story its been done but only like twice.


thanks for the informative post. Does anyone have flow numbers @ 28" pressure stop and .100"-.600" lift for the stock 3800 heads ?

I'm wondering what they flow- the ports look generous enough in size.

the old 3.4 DOHC heads flows 260 cfm at max cam lift
 

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Actually they only dyno about 160whp stock so you are looking for 115hp.
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I was under the impression that current net sae HP figures were taken at the tires with all accessories on- where did the 40HP go in stock form ?

is the factory rating puffed up by 40HP, or is the factory rating of 200HP taken at flywheel ? they could not have gone back to gross HP rating at flywheel like back in 1970, did they ?

actually, I'd prefer that in a way, I like to know what a motor makes at the flywheel, it resembles a true dyno number
 

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yep that number is at the flywheel. i think its 15% drivetrain loss on hp to the wheels.
 

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I'm starting to think that old 60 degree V6 has more potential than the 3800 II
maybe you have found the key for getting w body 1/4 mile records out of the 8's and into the 7's

60 degree swap :icon_lol:
 

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You haven't heard of fullthrottlev6 yet have you? There's several guys that are mid 13's on the stock engine. No cam, no heads, no rocker arms.
Your problem is two-fold:
1) FWD makes launching difficult
2) Your car's weight. If you can trim that down to ~3000 lbs, and get some better gearing, you'd see 13's all day long.

Oh,a nd there's no way you're going to see .600" of lift on stock heads.
 

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maybe you have found the key for getting w body 1/4 mile records out of the 8's and into the 7's- 60 degree swap :icon_lol:

not a bad idea, 60degree has superior cylinder heads, the 4 cams can be infinitely timed for lobe separation/ intake/exhaust centerline-belt is cogged onto cams without keyway, on tapered snout- torquing cog bolt locks it. I advanced cams 1 degree, it woke up- car nearly rips steering wheel out of my hand when I nail it.

for reference sake-the 3.4 DOHC is twice the motor the 3800 is in stock form. 3.4 was designed as 7000rpm 280HP screamer naturally aspirated, from factory- dyno proven. They had to detune it to 210-215 HP in 1995-96, trans could not take the power.

The 3.4 DOHC can be fuel/spark mapped back to 280 HP with factory computer, and all the factory engine parts, including cams, intake, exhaust manifolds. It has 3" outlets exhaust from factory.

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THE 3.4 DOHC 24 VALVE

3.4L DOHC 24-VALVE GM V-6
This is page is brought to you by JJ and hosted by Steve. We will start by saying that we are not the foremost authorities on the 3.4L Twin Cam V-6. But JJ however has collected a pile of info on this engine. From the owners standpoint, a GM autotech, and weekend racer. If anyone who may read these notes has something to add, or even correct, it would be appreciated. Sharing info amongst us 3.4L DOHC owners is going to only help us all. The reason JJ wrote this and I host this site.

The 3.4 was concepted as a V6 version of the Olds 2.3L "quad 4". The quad motor went into production in 1988, and that also marked the start of the V6 design program. The 3.4L DOHC was actually the forerunner of many current motors. The Cadillac Northstar 4.6L 32 Valve V8, and later the Aroura 4.0L 32-Valve V8, were sons of the V6 program. Now we have expanded into the 3.5L V6 and to a degree, the OHC Truck V8 small-block. Most of us wouldnt put that as important, but the lessons learned on the Quad 4 went into improvements for the 3.4 V6, and subsequently, the Northstar and Aroura.

The 3.4L DOHC motor was designed with a CHEVY name, and was slated to go into the W-10 body cars, namely the Lumina, Grand Prix, and Cutlass. Buick opted to go with their 3800 Series I V6. Target date was 91 model year, as Lumina Z34's, Grand Prix GTP's, and Cutlass Supreme Internationals. In that order. A funny thing happened on the way to the assembly line....When it was orginally concepted , the little Quad was pushing almost 200hp on 4 Jugs. So the V6 needed to have some more power. Now GM at that time was not know for a good FWD Transmission. Even the rocket 180 HP quads in N-body cars came with 5spds only. No auto was offered as HI-PERF, quite frankly because they wouldnt live behind the motor (remember we have to warranty the car if it breaks). Well, the GM engine gurus went to their counterparts at GM Hydramatic, with a challenge. Build a FWD auto trans, that will take 275 HP. You have 2 years to be in production. In a car. Warranty and all. Hydramatic said, "no problem". Meanwhile, the 2.8L V6 had grown to a 3.1L and was currently in use in the W-10 cars. The 3.1L was redesigned as an overstroke version using a cast iron block. To this went the best that GM had to offer, remember we're building a 275HP FWD muscle car. Forged crankshaft, forged rods, forged pistons, balanced lower end. Revamped oiling system with high volume pump. An oil cooler. On top, a pair of computer designed 4 valve per chamber aluminum heads, with hemispherical combustion chambers. Cross-Flow intake and exhaust ports, designed for maximum flow at high RPM. Next, add FOUR, count 'em FOUR camshafts, each controlling 6 sodium-filled lightweight valves. Dual dampner springs rest under a "bucket"type cam lifters, for instant and precise valve timing. The cams were supported by 4 journals each, providing durability along with the least amount of valvetrain mass. The cams were driven by a cogged belt, further reducing mechanical drag of the motor. The exhaust was cast iron manifolds, large by any standards, with a single high flow catalytic converter using 3inch downpipes. All 3.4L cars used a dual muffler system, which not by coincidence, is mathematically perferct in diameter and distance for performance applications. The intake was a tuned tunnel ram, with the early builds using NO mass air flow sensor, and 94 and later ones using one. Add to this combination Fuel injection, digital EGR, and it was by far, the BEST motor that GM engineers could build for its application. Emission certification verifed an honest 281HP on the sheets. Emission 7000RPM screamer. This was in early 1990, January I believe. Transmission? Anyone? Hydramatic had its own challenges to conquer. The THM125 3 speed was being redesigned every year, to combat the next weakest link in the unit. The THM 440T-4 four speed auto debuted a few years earlier, but was prone to valve body and erratic shifting problems. The 440T-4 also had this quirk of self-destructing if the owner happend to get stuck in snow. Not much to build from...Hydramatic had its hands full on this job. An all new FWD O/D trans was needed. Many prototypes were tested at GM proving grounds, in believe it or not, a V8 FWD Camaro. Each version had uncovered problems, aka "The next weakest link". Time was fast running out. When it came clear that the all-new trans wouldn't be ready for production by mid-1990, there was only one thing to do. Redesign the 440-T4 as best as they could. Hydramatic went to the market with their finished product just days before the deadline. Will it take 275HP? NO! Will it take 250HP? NO! How bout 225Hp? Maybe. GM engine ground was peeved! All this effort, just to be cut down at the flywheel....225HP? I want 275! Well, the rest is corporate decision making at its worst. Cut the horsepower of the 3.4L to 200 with an automatic. You can have 210 on a stick. Makes a guy want to cry, don't it? Well, warranty concerns led the list of "why" and there's no way around it. The redesigned THM 440-T4 was designated the THM 4T60E, with an early RPO code of MXO. Internals were beefed up, a heavier drive chai, a better pump, and best of all, Electronic shifting! Now, instead of finicky hydraulic valve body, all shifts and timing ere controlled by the ECM. The same one used by the motor. Big, beefy driveshafts were installed into the W cars to take the power. (on a side note, I have never heard of one breaking) By this time, tooling up was underway for the '91 model year. While there were a supply of motors, the trans were still being built a few at a time. Delco electrionics solved the horsepower problem by cutting the fuel delivery and spark advance curves of the motor. This weakened it to a 6250 shift point, and 6500 rev limiter. Free-reving was limited at 3000RPM. The first 3.4L DOHC engines were spoken for by CHEVY. After all, it was their project. Stick models didnt get orders, as most dealers preferred the auto trans models because of sales. Add to the problem, af HEFTY price tag on the motor combination, adn they were a tough sell as lot inventory at the dealers. The trans shortage had eased by Feb. of '91, and finally some units were released to Pontiac for production. These facts conclude that '91 models are scarce, some Z-34's, a lot less GP's, and virtually no Cutlass. 1992 was a carryover year for the 3.4L option. Pontiac changed wheel cap centes. This was the only visual change from the '91 cars, save the VIN of cours.
 

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The engine used a speed-density program for the ECM/fuel injection. This consisted of a MAP sensor, a BARO sensor, ambient air sensor, throttleposition ensor, and of course RPM. Cubic inch displacement X rpm, barometric pressure, and air tempurature divided by the throttleposition and engine vacum (load). Witout fail, the computer (ECM) will deliver the same amount of fuel for a given set of input parameters from the sensors. There is no substitute. Spark timing was calculated the same way (an algorithm) based on sensor input. This is very handy to understand when you want to modify your DOHC to do more. The 3.4L works on a multiport injector arrangement. Early year 3.4's did not have a cam sensor in the front valve cover. These are MFI cars. The injectors are fired three at a time, with the logic that one of the intake valves will be open. The other two will puddle the fuel on top of the valve until opens. Starting in 1994, most 3.4's went to SFI. This reduced emissions and allowed for even learn injector rates, atmoization was improved. SFI bascially means that the charge of fuel is fired at an OPENING intake valve, so that air flow will charge the fuel as a vaport. SFI cars are a little touchier to injector rates then MFI cars. The distributorless ignition system firs added/waste spart method. It would take a volume of reference to cover it fully, but just know that it is operated from input from the crank and cam sensors. Picture two companion cylinders (one coil pair) spark leaves the coil on one tower towards the weak cylinder, (the one on the exhaust stroke). The spark jumps the plug gap from center to ground and then travels through the engine block ot its companion, (which is on the power stroke) and jumps the plug gap from ground electrode to center electrode, then back to the coil tower, completing the circuit. A big circle. It reverses every crank revolution too. Spark timing is controlled by the ECM, whcih calculates which coil pair to fire, and how much timing advance or retard is needed at the moment. The intake manifold shape changed every year after 1992. Why the different manifolds? The early ones howled at 2100 RPM in drive, the later ones changed for size constraints in the car, and there was the switch to the Mass Air Flow system, whcih added another variant. All will bolt to the lower intake, but not all will accept the other various equipment needed. Exhaust manifolds are pretty good for cast units. I cant even imaging fitting headers to this beast, but you dont need to. I have run backpressure gauage on my car, and found no significant problem save the converter itself. Al converters are restricitive, but the exhaust is low on the list of places to get more zip from a 3.4. And now that the background is covered, its time you get teh mechanicals of the DOHC 3.4L "Hemi" Hope your not too bored yet.
 

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Think of it as a MG Midget...maintance, maintance, and more maintance. I cannot stress enought that this is NOT a car to give the kids going to college. The 3.4L takes frequent, extensive maintanence to assure its durability. All strange noises should be investigated immediately, as you may soon be walking. Maybe you arent mechanically inclined. That's ok, as long as youu can work with assistance. But if your're the type who doesnt want to spend money on frequent maintance, sell the car. It will bite you!!!Last I checked a motor from GM cost $4600.00. Used start at $1500.00. If you can find one. Oil changes....complex and incredibly long oiling system of the 3.4 is very touchy about dirt. Aluminum cam carriers, valve lifter buckets with only .010 margin, and about 6500RPM thing, you gotta change the oil and filter often. I use and recommend a FULLY SYNTHETIC OIL for this engine. Yes, it cost 5.00 a 1/4. Think about the price of a motor. That makes it better. The long oiling system is the reason why the oil pressure flucates so much while driving. GM says 15psi at 1600 RPM is acceptable, that aint alot, but consider it has a lot to do. Typical readings are 40 PSI at 1600RPM, and 15-20psi at idle when hot. Use a 5W-30 grade. There is no benefit to heavier oils, and they may be harmful if oil pressure gets too high. Fuel filters need to be changed at least once a year. Forget the 30,000 mile thing. One bad tank of gas will plug it. GM fuel injection systems are recirclating, meaning the fuel passes through the filter faster then it is used by the motor, with the excess diverted back to the tank. Nominal pressure is 47PSi. A partial restricted fuel filter will casue odd power loss and it will harm that pricey fuel pump in the gas tank. Change it 15-20,000 miles, or once a year, whichever comes first. Air filtes are critical. Since the early units are speed/density engines, their is restricated air flow. Clean the filter at every oil change, or insist that the kid at speede-lube to do it for you. K&N is ok, just make sure you dont install it and forget about cleaning and oiling. Its ok to buy cheap air filters too, just change them more ofter. Coolant and hoses need good car too. Being a bi-metal engine, glycol type coolant tends to become acidic with age. This then eats aluminum, head gaskets, and causes localized overheating, which leads to cracked cylinder heads. Hoses to be concerned with are those at the oil cooler, which get oiled everytime the oil filter is changed, and the coolant pipe that runs down the RH frame. These pipes are exposed to road spray, and will rust and leak within a few years. Check near the attaching brackets for bubbling rust. When replacing this pipe, use spray undercoating for a lasting repair. Spark plugs and wires are the weak link in any GM ignition system. Due to the variable dwell circuit of GM HEI, excess resistance in the secondary ignition ciruct will fry ign coils and modules. Thes problems usually start as a buck or miss felt in high gear at low speeds, say in OD at 45 accelerating uphill without a trans downshift. I use split tip spark plugs in my DOHC, NGK, Splitfire and others have such a plug. It is a performance advantage with this type of ignition system. OE wires are ok, as long as tey aer in good shape. Powered looking "mooneyes" along with the wires where they pass near a piece of metal indicates the insulation is getting weak, and its time to change them. That brittle split loom that covers the wires is important too, if it cant be reused, go buy some more and use it. Throttlebody, throttle blade, and intake system cleaning should not be ignored. A coating of oily "fuzz" builds up on the surfaces, adn can caue problems with stalling, and even in bad cases a check engine light. I use a throttlebody cleaner spray on the inlet, and GM top engine cleaner on the internals. (Do not spray the MAF, or you will be buying a new one) On MFI cars, this is especially critical to use a liquid cleaner injested while the engine is running to break up and clean the intake valves. Excess carbon build-up will soak up the fuel sprayed at it by the injector, and cause a lean condition. Keeping the back side of teh intake valves clean promote fuel distribution and is a major performance tip. Timing Belts. Priced one lately? I told you this was an expensive motor to maintain. This is one area where it gets REALLY expensive if you dont. Timing belt arrangement uses two idlers, a tension/idler, the 4 cam sprockets, and the drive sprocket. Unless you are pretty good with a wrench, I wouldnt recommend you try to change one. There is reason they want 500.00 to do it at the garage. Bad news is, when they go, you stop. There are many DO NOTS to the timing belt setup. I add these so you dont make an uniformed mistake. Anybody with a 8mm socket can inspect the timing belt for extreme wear. Just take off one of the plastic cam covers and look. If there is any fraying of the belt, or a bunch of black hair inside the cover, change the belt NOW. If you do it yourself, under no circumstances remove the bots from the camshaft sprockets. These sprockets are not keyed, and cam timing is lost to the tune of 700.00 and a tow to the Pontiac dealership. More so, the factory timing marks are done in yellow paint pen. It can and does wear off, leaving no reference marks to time the cams with. This then requires removing the intank manifold, valve covers, etc., and some nifty GM special tools to reset the deal. The idler pulleys are wear items as well. It is a plastic pulley, and is usually what caused the belt to fail. The replacement ones from GM are a bunch better then the OE ones were. Replace them once, probably won't have to do it twice. And about that belt...it is a highly saturated nitrile belt. Don't get a cheap one either, go to GM or Gates for this one. Around 50.00 is right price, but here's another tip. Due to the lenght of the belt, and the way it drives the cams, it does stretch a little with high mileage. This means that while cam timing on the front two cams is close, the timing of the back two cams will be off. The performance edge is noticeable between 20,000 timing belt and a new one. Cam timing, it is very important. I am a tech by trade, so changing the timing belt every 20,000miles is what I do. They sure wont go the 60,000 the factory recommends. If you race your 3.4L, or expect tip-top performance it can deliver, keep a fresh belt on it. One final work, while the 3.4L is not designed as an interference engine, it has happened that when the timing belt breaks or slips, the pistons can hit the valves. ther is only .010" designed clearance between the valve at full lift and the piston at top dead center. That is how my GP was when I got it. 6 bent valves, timing belt broken. That God I didnt have to pay the labor on that mess...One more area to inspect often is the oil pump drive. This is located on the rear (LH) of the motor, under the throttlebody. While almost impossible to see from up top, if it starts leaking oil it will leak oil VERY FAST!!! The oil pump drive is a leftover from the 2.8/3.1 design. It is where the Distributor use to go. With the advent of DIS, the dist is gone, but the gears and oil pump remain. This is sealed with an O-ring along. On the other side, is a pressureized gallery. When (not if) the O-ring breaks, engine oil will leake under whatever oil pressure is available. In extreme cases, a quart every 100 miles is possible. More bad news. to replace the .29 O-ring, the upper half of the motor must come off. Replacement requires cylinder head removal. Only good part is if this happens, you can replace a bunch of other parts with virtually no labor...its already apart. And the final think on the subject of maintaince, the transmission. I have put a few hundred passes on my 4T60E on the dragstrip. I race SCCA autocross regularly. I drive at high speeds. I live to beat someone from a stoplight or leave them halfway around the on-ramp. My GP gets driven hard, if not harder then it was intended. It now has 174,000 miles and will run with any 3.4L out there. The trans has never been apart. I am a firm believer in changing the trans fluid and filter every 20,000 miles. Flush it if needed. The biggest enemy of the 4T60E is dirt and oxidized fluid. The tans and filter/cooling system is sufficient to take road racing and autocross. It will not take neglect. I can sympathize with anyone who hates to spend money on a car. I ain't rich either, but I do know that a few dollars of maintance is worth a thousand saved in major repairs. I have had my GP for about three years. I like to drive, and have put 100K on the car. I have no fears that the car will fail me, even though the high mileage would send most into a comma. Bottom line is, that if you do own one of these cars, you have something that can last, can be driven hard, raced, and still get the groceries on Friday. It can be done. I am doing it.
 

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Think of it as a MG Midget...maintance, maintance, and more maintance. I cannot stress enought that this is NOT a car to give the kids going to college. The 3.4L takes frequent, extensive maintanence to assure its durability. All strange noises should be investigated immediately, as you may soon be walking. Maybe you arent mechanically inclined. That's ok, as long as youu can work with assistance. But if your're the type who doesnt want to spend money on frequent maintance, sell the car
I read all of your 3 lengthy posts and I am sure it is a fun motor to play with and can make power. I hope you enjoy it and make tons of power !

what I quoted tells me it is not for me..

the big reason i got into 3800's is their simplicity , no timing belts to change every 60k or sooner. during the series 2 & 3 production they were on wards best engines pretty much every year as well as on wards top 10 engines of all time list

you see I commute 6 days a week from Maine ,through new hampshire into Massachusetts ( 1100 miles a week) and get 30 mpg highway as well as stop by the track (10 minutes out of my way) and run mid 13's @103/104 in a 180,000 mile car that has never had a water pump ,timing cover, or valve cover off - just simple bolt ons

the 3800 is like a good small block chevy like the one in my tahoe with 232,000 miles that has also never had an intake ,valve cover, or timing cover off it ,or the pickup it replaced with 345,000 miles that had never been apart

power , durability ,simplicity thats what pushrods and a single cam get you , may not be flashy or high tech but gets the job done:8
 

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If you say those engines are so superior than the 3800 then why did they only make it for a few years?
 

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your original post was asking for 1/4 mile et's

the link is in the upper left corner of the forum

I copied and pasted it for you below:

Top 25 FWD 3800 Quarter Mile Times
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Vehicle
Drive
Heads
Cam
Power Adder(s)
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1/8 Mile
1/4 Mile
Weight

1 Matt Meekhof 97 Grand Prix GT FWD ZZP Stage 4 Al Stattama STR4 T3/T4-61 Twin Turbos 1.356 5.582 @ 128.88 8.658 @ 158.97
2 Bob Cook 99 Grand Prix GT FWD INTENSE Stage 4 CNC INTENSE Stage 4 Turbo GT42-76R-BB Turbo & N2O 1.322 5.745 @ 123.56 8.902 @ 154.90 2430


3 Scott Cook 98 Grand Prix GTP FWD INTENSE Stage 4 CNC INTENSE Stage 4 Turbo PT76GTQ Turbo 1.489 6.149 @ 117.51 9.499 @ 145.13 3035
4 Uzoma Iwuagwu 97 Grand Prix GTP FWD ZZP Stage 4 ZZP XPZ Eaton M90 & T72 Turbo 1.611 6.531 @ 112.71 9.986 @ 143.54

5 Jeff Kalo 03 Impala LS FWD Stock Stattama ST4 T67 Turbo 1.632 6.4887 @ 111.70 10.005 @ 138.42
6 Ed Morad 00 Bonneville SSEi FWD INTENSE Stage 4 CNC INTENSE Stage 4 Blower Blowzilla 2200 1.548 6.831 @ 102.14 10.711 @ 125.71 3255
7 John Tsimaras 98 Grand Prix GTP FWD INTENSE Stage 3 CNC Custom Magnuson MP112 & N20 1.689 7.033 @ 105.36 10.785 @ 130.37
8 Eric Schertz 01 Regal GS FWD Unknown Unknown Unknown Turbo 1.679 7.007 @ 101.92 10.855 @ 127.57
9 Tim Beek 00 Grand Prix GT FWD Stock Stattama Stage 1 Turbo T4 60-1 Turbo 1.664 7.038 @ 101.78 10.921 @ 125.54
10 Ken Walsworth 97 Grand Prix GTP FWD ZZP Stage 2 ZZP XP Novi 2000 1.579 7.006 @ 98.82 10.954 @ 125.97 3160

11 Chris Hoenle 00 Grand Prix GTX FWD ZZP Stage 4 Stattama Stage 4 Novi 2000 1.665 7.136 @ 97.62 11.073 @ 123.21
12 Ed Morad 97Grand Prix GTP FWD INTENSE Stage 3 CNC INTENSE Stage 3 Blower Eaton M90 - Gen III & N20 1.71 7.153 @ 100.71 11.084 @ 125.01 3250
13 Chris Mercadante 00 Grand Prix GTP FWD Stock INTENSE Stage 1X Blower T04e67 Turbo 1.616 7.090 @ 98.01 11.094 @ 121.95 3375
14 Darren Smith 99 Grand Prix GTP FWD ZZP Stage 1 ZZP VS Eaton M90 & T70 Turbo 1.774 7.271 @ 100.20 11.166 @ 128.27
15 Tim King 98 Grand Prix GTP FWD INTENSE Stage 4 CNC INTENSE Stage 4 Blower Eaton M90 - Gen V 1.557 7.105 @ 99.38 11.169 @ 120.69 3170
16 Jackie Kleis 97 Grand Prix GT FWD Stock Custom Eaton M90 - Gen III 1.579 7.144 @ 94.54 11.238 @ 122.32
17 Bridgett Meekhof 01 Monte Carlo SS FWD Stock ZZP VS Novi 2000 1.59 7.198 @ 95.31 11.243 @ 119.64
18 Greg Was 98 Grand Prix GTP FWD INTENSE Stage 3 CNC INTENSE Stage 3 Blower Eaton M90 - Gen V 1.658 7.227 @ 98.48 11.245 @ 122.28 3150
19 James Honeychurch 04 Grand Prix GTP CompG FWD ZZP Stage 3 ZZP XPZ Eaton M90 - Gen V 1.714 7.258 @ 97.64 11.306 @ 120.93
20 Matt Jahn 97 Grand Prix GTP FWD ZZP Stage 3 ZZP XPZ Eaton M90 - Gen V 1.682 7.283 @ 95.79 11.378 @ 123.72
21 Chris Yates 00 Grand Prix GTP FWD INTENSE Stage 3 CNC INTENSE Stage 3 Blower Eaton M90 - Gen V 1.644 7.271 @ 95.15 11.409 @ 117.56
22 Scott Looman 99 Grand Prix GTP FWD ZZP Stage 4 ZZP XPZ Eaton M90 - Gen V 1.646 7.392 @ 95.11 11.444 @ 121.61
23 John Costello 98 Grand Prix GTP FWD Custom ZZP XPZ Eaton M90 - Gen III 1.729 7.338 @ 95.61 11.445 @ 119.67
24 Paul Soltis III 02 Grand Prix GTP FWD ZZP Stage 3 ZZP XPZ Eaton M90 - Gen V 1.608 7.300 @ 94.73 11.454 @ 118.08
25 Ted Quartana 01 Grand Prix GTP FWD Milzy Motorsports Stage 4 Stattama ST2 T67 Turbo 1.898 7.500 @ 98.43 11.472 @ 123.83
 
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