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Arrow oil pan gasket change writeup needed.

i do apologize if this is a noob question, i looked around and diddnt find what i needed,

i want to change the pan gasket especially, but wanted to do the motor mounts while im at it. i saw how to do the mounts, in the tranny area, but it uses the oil pan to lift the car, so how would i change the pan gasket, what do i use as the lift point for the motor, to get the pan off?

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You could use the engine lift brackets. In other words, you're most likely going to need a cherry picker or come-along. Here's how I did mine (obviously I was doing other things as well.




You will need to lift it a good few inches to be able to get the pan off of the engine. I'm pretty sure you will also need to remove the engine-to-trans brace, and it is a REAL PITA. There are 2 bolts up between the engine and trans that are very difficult to get to. A ratcheting wrench and small hands are very helpful.
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I built an engine lift out of wood that mimics the GM engine lift. I don't mind sending you pics and measurements to build one of your own.
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Not sure if this'll work.

Oil Pan Replacement
Removal Procedure
Tools Required
J 28467-90A Engine Support Adapters
J 28467-B Universal Engine Support Fixture
J 36462-A Engine Support Adapter Leg Set
Disconnect the negative battery cable. Refer to Battery Negative Cable Disconnect/Connect Procedure in Engine Electrical.
Carefully disconnect the throttle body air inlet duct.
Remove the engine mount struts from the engine. Refer to Engine Mount Strut Replacement and Engine Mount Strut Replacement .
Remove the drive belt. Refer to Drive Belt Replacement .
Install the J 28467-90A , the J 28467-B the and the J 36462-A . Do not raise the engine.
Raise and suitably support the vehicle. Refer to Lifting and Jacking the Vehicle in General Information.
Disconnect the catalytic converter from the right exhaust manifold. Refer to Catalytic Converter Replacement in Engine Exhaust.
Remove the right front tire and wheel. Refer to Tire and Wheel Removal and Installation in Tires and Wheels.
Remove the right engine splash shield. Refer to Splash Shield Replacement - Engine in Body Front End.
Drain the engine oil. Refer to Engine Oil and Oil Filter Replacement .



Remove the oil filter. Refer to Engine Oil and Oil Filter Replacement .
Remove the AC compressor bracket bolts. Reposition and secure the AC compressor.
Disconnect the power steering oil cooler pipe brackets from the frame.
Remove the engine mount bracket bolts from the engine. Refer to Engine Mount Bracket Replacement .
Remove the lower engine mount nuts. Refer to Engine Mount Strut Replacement .
Remove the torque converter cover. Refer to Torque Converter Cover Replacement in Automatic Transaxle - 4T65-E.
Disconnect the oil level sensor wiring harness connector.



Remove the oil level sensor.
Lower the vehicle.
Use the J 28467-B in order to raise the engine.
Raise and suitably support the vehicle. Refer to Lifting and Jacking the Vehicle in General Information.
Suitably support the frame. Loosen the left side frame bolts. Remove the right side frame bolts. Lower the frame for access.
Remove the engine mount and the engine mount bracket.



Remove the oil pan retaining bolts.
Lower the oil pan.
Remove the oil pan.



Remove the oil pump pipe and screen assembly and the oil pan gasket.
Clean the following parts:
The oil pan flanges
The oil pan rail
The front cover
The rear main bearing cap
The threaded holes
Installation Procedure

Notice
Install the oil level sensor, located in the oil pan, after the oil pan is installed. The sensor may be damaged if the oil level sensor is installed first.






Install the oil pan gasket and the oil pump pipe and screen assembly. Tighten
Tighten the oil pump screen bolts to 15 Nm (11 lb ft).





Install the oil pan.
Clean the oil pan bolts and apply one drop of thread lock compound GM P/N 12345382 or equivalent to the oil pan bolt threads.

Notice
Use the correct fastener in the correct location. Replacement fasteners must be the correct part number for that application. Fasteners requiring replacement or fasteners requiring the use of thread locking compound or sealant are identified in the service procedure. Do not use paints, lubricants, or corrosion inhibitors on fasteners or fastener joint surfaces unless specified. These coatings affect fastener torque and joint clamping force and may damage the fastener. Use the correct tightening sequence and specifications when installing fasteners in order to avoid damage to parts and systems.



Important
Do not overtighten bolts or damage to the oil pan may occur, resulting in an oil leak.


Install the oil pan bolts. Tighten
Tighten the oil pan bolts to 14 Nm (125 lb in).

Install the engine mount and the engine mount bracket. Install the engine mount bracket bolts to the engine. Refer to Engine Mount Bracket Replacement .
Install new right side frame bolts. Make sure the frame is suitably supported. Install new left side frame bolts. Refer to Frame Removal in Frame and Underbody.
Lower the vehicle.
Use the J 28467-B in order to lower the engine.
Raise and suitably support the vehicle. Refer to Lifting and Jacking the Vehicle in General Information.
Install the lower engine mount nuts. Refer to Engine Mount Strut Replacement .



Install the oil level sensor. Tighten
Tighten the oil level sensor to 20 Nm (15 lb ft).

Connect the oil level sensor wiring harness connector.
Install the torque converter cover. Refer to Torque Converter Cover Replacement in Automatic Transaxle - 4T65-E.
Connect the power steering oil cooler pipe brackets to the frame.



Install the AC compressor bracket bolts. Refer to Compressor Replacement in HVAC.



Install the new oil filter. Refer to Engine Oil and Oil Filter Replacement .
Install the oil pan bolt. Refer to Engine Oil and Oil Filter Replacement .
Install the right engine splash shield. Refer to Splash Shield Replacement - Engine in Body Front End.
Install the right front tire and wheel. Refer to Tire and Wheel Removal and Installation in Tires and Wheels.
Connect the catalytic converter pipe to the right exhaust manifold. Refer to Catalytic Converter Replacement in Engine Exhaust.
Lower the vehicle.
Remove the J 36462-A , the J 28467-B , and the J 28467-90A .
Install the drive belt. Refer to Drive Belt Replacement .
Install the engine mount struts to the engine. Refer to Engine Mount Strut Replacement and Engine Mount Strut Replacement .
Carefully install the throttle body air inlet duct.
Fill the crankcase with new engine oil. Refer to Engine Oil and Oil Filter Replacement .
Connect the negative battery cable. Refer to Battery Negative Cable Disconnect/Connect Procedure in Engine Electrical.
Inspect for the proper fluid levels.
Inspect for leaks.
Measure the wheel alignment. Refer to Wheel Alignment Specifications .


I grabbed it from http://www.sourcenet.ca:9001/servlets/Home .

I'm just going to pull my motor and do it while it's out. Should be easier. .
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wow thats quite intense, thanks for the help. i was thinking it wasnt going to be quite that crazy, as doing the mounts diddnt seem too bad, and one mount blocks the pan from coming off, so i thought there was a trick to make it easy that someone had come up with.

ill give it a try,

do i just need the gasket, or is there anything else in there that should be replaced while im at it.

thanks for the help, man i wish i had a garage, for now i have the curb.
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wierd oild pan gasket and extra poor oil pressure.

I have my oil pan out on my 96 firebird 3800 and am wondering about this gasket never seen one like it and it is really making it tough to put back pickup tube is there a normal gasket or can I remove this one and just use RTV.Anyone know what this kind of gasket in there for?Also while I am here when I replaced engine after it was rebuilt the oil pressure is almost nothing at idle up at 60 when revived to 3000rpms then back to nothing took off one valve cover nothing at idle shoots oil out of push rods at 3000.
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